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Originally posted by LoveLearning:
As I said, I think in terms of: this is what learners need to connect with, integrate, practice, etc. therefore we need a variety of things for them to do so they are actively involved in the process rather than passive recipients of information.

I think of it in the same way. I think we have gone way away from my initial question. I wanted to find out the types of work people did here so I could discuss what works and what does not in particular types of situations. I think we all agree with the quote above.

I am still interested in who does what and what tools they use. When I design a course I have lots of tools to use when I deliver. I just wanted to see if perhaps some tools are best suited to particular types of learning. (I know some are, BTW.)

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Originally posted by Amy_L:
The depends on how you define "tools". I look at instructional design (ID)/training as the toolbox. The individual tools are all in the toolbox-- which ones I use vary by instructional goal. I don't parse out ID into slices based on which tool I am using at the moment. It's still ID.

Perhaps you can give an example of why you think it is different. What specific tools did you have in mind when you wrote the above statement? How do YOU think it's different?

OK, Amy_L, let's think delivery for now. Consider teaching something where you want to expose learners to a new way of thinking; you want them to try thinking/working in the new way -- to get out of the "rut" of the old way. An example might be getting insurance salespeople to think as marketers (where marketing means getting customers to come to you as opposed to sales where you go to them) instead of relying on cold calling. Do you use games, testimonials, discussions of videos, what? If, say, games, what kind?

That is, of course, a very specific example as I think you requested. My real goal is to try to find out what others do in the general cases.

Well, after 5 pages, now I understand your OP.

We do it all. My team designs instructor led classes in both in-person and virtual classroom formats and also computer based training along with procedure documentation and job aids.

We design for both what you term "education" and what you term "training".

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you want them to try thinking/working in the new way -- to get out of the "rut" of the old way.

I would assert that this isn't really a training issue. For any pieces that could be supported by training, the answer is yes - all of the above and more ("Do you use games, testimonials, discussions of videos, what? If, say, games, what kind?")

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Originally posted by LoveLearning:
I would assert that this isn't really a training issue.

And as I stated before, it is an education issue. When I teach programming or security, much of the time is spent on helping the participants develop new mindsets. That is why I think it is somewhat different than training.