I still maintain it would be hard to find counter evidence until the definition (from Pike or whomever) of "reading" is agreed upon.

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Originally posted by travelerjjm:
I still maintain it would be hard to find counter evidence until the definition (from Pike or whomever) of "reading" is agreed upon.

Hi John:

I agree. I have contacted the Bob Pike Group asking for the source of that information within their book. As of date I have not received a reply.

Regards,

Cj

Cj,

None of us should believe every word we read - nor should we get upset because we think something presented as a fact is really a falsehood. Just because something is in print does not necessarily mean that it is true - it does not mean that it is fact.

I can tell you from my own experience as a book author, that one can write whatever one wishes and have it printed - unquestioned!! I found that quite shocking! A few years ago I wrote a book that is published by a major publisher of training and educational literature. Nothing was questioned as to fact or fiction. The only editorial questions were for clarity purposes, not whether or not it is backed up by research or anything else for that matter. Publishers and editors in general do NOT question what you write. This was also my experience with an article I wrote for another publisher of training and educational materials, as well as numerous articles for trade magazines. Not only that, but even in a refereed journal article, "facts" were not questioned. At least that has been my experience. You, as an author, are simply not questioned. That's a fact......that's reality. My experience as an author has made me disbelieve a lot of things I read - and so should everyone -- in my opinion anyway.

So to get upset because you think "a falsehood is represented as reality" is wasted energy. The more important question is, should publishers and editors demand more from authors? When I first started writing for publication, I worried a lot about backing up EVERYTHING regardless of how insignificant it may be. After a while, I realized that nobody seemed to care about that but me -- and the readers of course.....................It still comes as somewhat of a shock that publishers don't demand it, and I still have everything backed up anyway, but it is a sobering reality that one does not have to do that.

I imagine Bob Pike and Margaret Richardson (and most other authors out there) have had similar experiences with their publishers. I think you have to evaluate the credibility of each individual author and form your own opinion as to whether it is worthwhile or not.

Why don't you write your own article or book and put in your two cents' worth on the subject?

Isn't that axiom really just a way to keep in mind that as an instructional designer, one should endeavor to address levels of cognition that challenge learners to think if one is trying to facilitate the learning process?

Designing a learning experience for others means being mindful that if you're going to have people read something, not everyone is going to connect with what he/she has read in the same way unless you frame it in a way that helps him/her analyze, synthesize, evaluate...

I often have people read as pre-work, but the reading is always accompanied by questions that cause the reader to analyze and evaluate what he/she is reading. When one is learning from reading, one is actually doing more than merely reading.

...and I had no idea there were various ways to define "reading"... what did you have in mind?

Kaliko, had similar experiences.

In school an ongoing standard was 30 pages of text read and understood in 1 hour.

Nero

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